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Wednesday, April 29, 2009

"Some Like It Hoth" Discussion

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the JoshMeister, Congested, and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 5 Episode 13, "Some Like It Hoth", and take a look at what we might see in episode 14, "The Variable".

Rehashing with Congested:
  • Discussion about Bram and Ilana having their own faction
    • DHARMA reconstituted, per Pierre Chang in the Comic-Con 2008 video
    • Another faction of The Others? Or the same group?

  • Congested: In Empire Strikes Back, Luke talks to dead Obi-Wan (he notes a similarity with LOST)
Season 5 Episode 13 "Some Like It Hoth" (Miles-centric) notes:
  • Flashback
    • Miles had his ability to hear dead people's thoughts as a child

  • 1977
    • They do have video surveillance tapes after all
      • Sawyer orders Miles to erase the security tapes
      • Yet again, they have this conversation over the radio, so anyone could be listening in
    • Horace tells Miles that Radzinsky is in Grid 3-3-4, which Miles says is Hostile territory
    • Horace orders Miles to go there and make an exchange with Radzinsky
    • The item turns out to be a body bag, and Radzinsky whistles and two men bring out a dead body and put it in the bag
    • Miles: "What happened to him?"
    • Radzinsky: "He had an accident... he fell into a ditch."
    • Miles notices a bullet hole in the dead man's head
    • After Radzinsky leaves, Miles asks the dead man, "Okay, so what really happened?"

  • Flashback
    • Miles goes to see his mom, who is dying
    • Miles asks him mom how he has his power
    • His mom tells him that his dad has been dead a long time
    • Miles asks where his body is, and she says "somewhere you can never go"
      • Dr. Pierre Chang must be Miles' father!

  • 1977
    • In the very next scene, Horace orders Miles to take the body to Dr. Chang at The Orchid

    • Roger sees that Ben is gone and panics, saying he's going to security

    • Name's Alvarez
    • Digging hole, thinking about Andrea
    • The man was shot in head
    • Hurley finds out that Miles can talk to dead people
    • Hurley to Miles: "Don't worry, dude. Youre secret's safe with me. You wanna know why? Cause I can talk with them, too."

  • Flashback
    • Mr. Gray hires Miles to talk to his dead son, Miles says he can't do it given the circumstances (something about the body being scattered around a large area) but he fakes it anyway for the money

    • Naomi Doritt introduces herself to Miles

  • 1977
    • Hurley: "You're just jealous my powers are better than yours."

    • Miles: "That douche is my dad."
      • How did he know that Pierre Chang is his father? (We find out later.)

  • Flashback
    • Naomi takes Miles to the body of Felix

    • Felix was on his way to deliver something to a guy named Widmore, papers, photos, pictures of empty graves, a purchase order for an old airplane
      • That's what Tom showed Michael!
      • This confirms that Widmore sent the plane to the bottom ocean with the dead bodies
    • Naomi: "My employer is willing to pay you $1.6 million"
      • This must be why Miles asked Ben for $3.2 million (as confirmed on the latest Official LOST Podcast)

  • 1977
    • Miles says his third day in DHARMAville, his mother was in line behind him

    • Jack takes Roger's shift, Roger shows up and is mad at him
    • "I should go to Horace, report her [Kate]. What do you think?"

    • Pierre Chang pushes open a gate covered in foliage
    • Hurley and Miles see workers hammering the numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42) into the Swan hatch lid, and one worker calls it a serial number
      • Hurley: "They're building our hatch. The one that crashed our plane."

  • Flashback
    • Bram kidnaps Miles
      • He's the same guy who's on Ilana's side after the Ajira crash
    • Bram: "He have to try our best to talk you out of working for Charles Widmore"
    • Bram: "Do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue? Then you're not ready to go to the Island."
    • Bram: "You're playing for the wrong team."
    • Miles: "Oh yeah? What team are you on?"
    • Bram: "The one that's going to win."
      • Who does Bram work for? Ben? DHARMA? Someone else? He definitely doesn't work for Charles Widmore.

  • 1977
    • Hurley is writing The Empire Strikes Back "with a couple improvements" to sell to George Lucas

    • Phil, a DHARMA security guy, pulls out a tape and tells Sawyer he knows that Jim is the one who took Ben
    • Sawyer punches him in the face and tells Juliet to get some rope
      • TheMissingToe: "bad move on Sawyer's part - he's a smarter con man than that"

  • Flashback
    • Miles returns money to Mr. Gray and tells him that he didn't talk to his son

  • 1977
    • Miles sees Pierre Chang reading to his son
      • LeFransay: "so there's no danger in Old Miles approaching young Miles?"

    • Scientists from Ann Arbor are coming in on a sub
      • Could Gerald and Karen De Groot be on the sub?
        • Dan Faraday is on the sub!
          • How is that possible? He was on the Island when they first traveled back in time. When did he leave the Island?
            • Steve from The Smoke Hatch mentioned after we recorded the podcast that he left on the sub that Horace mentioned would be coming in 2 weeks
          • The scene from the first episode of the season must not have happened yet

  • Steve from The Smoke Hatch pointed out after the podcast that Ben would have had to raise Alex for 4 years if he took Alex in 1988 (the Purge took place in 1992):
    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pre-crash_timeline
    • The year of the Purge being 1992 is based on Horace's comment to Locke in a dream in the episode Cabin Fever that he's been dead for 12 years, and we saw him dead after the Purge: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cabin_Fever

  • Screenshots and Easter Eggs:
    • Heiroglyphics and information about ancient Egypt on the chalk board at the DHARMA school where Jack and Roger were cleaning
    • Screenshots of Bram in this episode and on the beach
SPOILERS:
  • Preview for the next episode:
    • Announcer: "Sides will be chosen"
    • Hurley and Jin standing next to each other
    • Sawyer: "This is our home. Come with us, Freckles."
    • "Some will run for cover. Some will stay and fight."
    • Radzinsky
    • Jack firing a gun
    • Announcer: "explosive 100th episode"
    • Daniel Faraday: "Any one of us could die, Jack."
  • From SpoilerFix (WARNING: don't click this link unless you want to risk being majorly spoiled!)
    • Episode 14: The Variable (Daniel Faraday-centric)
      • Congested thinks (and the latest Official LOST Podcast seems to confirm) that the title has reference to the episode The Constant
      • Josh points out that "the variable" could also have to do with the DHARMA Initiative's purpose of using the Numbers to predict and prevent the end of the world, as revealed in The LOST Experience, the first official LOST ARG, as I've mentioned previously (see Sri Lanka Video on Lostpedia)

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