"Whatever Happened, Happened" Discussion

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the JoshMeister and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 5 Episode 11, "Whatever Happened, Happened", and take a look at what we might see in episode 12, "Dead Is Dead".

The Official LOST Podcast - Non-spoiler notes:

• Damon hinted that we should be wondering whether Ilana was really working for the family of Peter Avelino to bring Sayid to justice, and whether it was really just a coincidence that they ended up on Ajira Flight 316. About Ilana's story, Carlton said "I think there might be some measure of truth to it, but it might not be the full story," and Damon agreed, "Right."
  

Season 5 Episode 11 "Whatever Happened, Happened" notes:

• 1977
• Kate meets Roger Linus
• Jin takes Ben back to the Barracks for medical treatment
  
  
• Sawyer finds out that Ben stole Roger's keys to let Sayid out
  
  
• Flashback to 2004
• Kate takes baby Aaron home and sings Catch a Falling Star to Him
• She went to visit Cassidy and Clementine
  
  
• 1977
• Jack refuses to perform surgery even though Juliet doesn't think she can save Ben
  
  
• Kate goes to donate blood
  
  
• Hurley and Miles have a whole conversation about time travel theory
• The best part is when Hurley asks why Ben didn't remember Sayid as the man who shot him in the past when Sayid was torturing him in 2004, and Miles says "Huh. Hadn't thought of that."
• Perhaps the producers hadn't though of that, either. ;o) Or else they were just throwing that out there, acknowledging that fans would ask that question sooner or later anyway
  
  
• Juliet suggests to Kate that they get The Others involved to save Ben's life
  
• Kate leaves in a DHARMA van with Ben
  
  
• Flashback to 2007
• Kates leaves the pier with Aaron and says Jack and Ben are crazy
• Aaron says he's thirsty, so Kate takes him to the store
• Kate got a call from Jack, and when she went to answer it, she hung up and immediately realized that Aaron was gone
• A woman who looks a bit like Claire or Carole Littleton was walking to the front of the store with Aaron, and claimed that she found Aaron walking around by himself and was about to have the store make an annoucement
  
  
• 1977
• Kate gets to the sonic fence, Sawyer shows up and says he's there to help
• Ben: "Tell my dad I'm sorry"
  
• Kate, not to stop her
  
• What about the cameras near the sonic fence? Wouldn't someone see Sawyer helping Kate? Maybe Sawyer put Jin on camera duty
  
  
• Flashback to 2007
• Kate visits Cassidy again and tells what happened at the supermarket, and Cassidy says that Aaron didn't need Kate -- Kate needed Aaron because she lost Sawyer
• baileybear: "Cassady seemed to have a bad attitude. Sawyer is stuck on a island after a plane crash & Cassady acts like he lives in another state & just ignored her"
  
  
• 1977
• We didn't need saving! We've been fine for three years. You came back for you.
• I came back because I was supposed to.
  
• Supposed to do what?
  
• I don't know yet.
  
• Well, you better figure it out.
• Was Jack supposed to save Ben? Is that why he had to go back?
  
  
• Sawyer asks Kate about Clementine
• Sawyer says he's done a lot of growing up the last three years
  
• The Others find Sawyer and Kate with Ben and say that they're violating the truce by having crossed the line, and Sawyer demands that they take him to Richard Alpert
• Is Sayid with The Others? What would Sayid think if he knew they were going to help Ben?
  
  
• Flashback to 2007
• Kate goes alone to see Carole Littleton
  
• She tells Carole the truth about Aaron, and says Claire is still alive on the Island but they couldn't find her
  
• Uh-oh. Is Claire really still alive?
• Kate says she's going back to the Island to find "your daughter" -- that is, Claire, Aaron's real mother
  
  
• 1977
• Richard Alpert finds Sawyer
• Richard: "If I take him, he's not ever going to be the same again. He'll forget this ever happened, and his innocence will be gone. He will always be one of us. You still want me to take him?"
• So it's all Jack's fault that Ben became evil? But Richard was already grooming Ben
• Frediemac: "I think it's just like going down the hole and coming back out from the Smoke Monster the French guy experienced"
• After all, Richard went to the temple - where Robert and the other French folks went down the hole
• natlie_in_seattle: "alpet healing ben is like adam and eve eating from the tree of knowledge...a lost of innocent the gaining of all aspect of knowledge (good and evil)"
• danzam: "Anubis brings ben abck to life"
• An Other to Richard: "We shouldn't do this without asking Ellie. And when Charles finds out..."
• Could Daniel Faraday be Charles and Ellie's kid? Assuming that Ellie is Eloise Hawking, that would mean Dan Faraday is Penny's brother, Desmond's brother-in-law, and baby Charlie's uncle
  
• Apparently Ben doesn't get fixed by Jack
• Perhaps after Ben is brought back to the DHARMA barracks after being fixed by The Others, Sawyer and Kate will claim that Jack fixed Ben to avoid the consequences of having worked with the "Hostiles." As mentioned in last week's blog post, that could explain why Ben wanted Jack there when Flight 815 crashed. After all, Jack "wasn't even on Jacob's list" according to Danny Pickett in Season 3 Episode 6, "I Do".
• Richard takes Young Ben to the temple
  

• Present day, on the Island
• Ben wakes up to see John Locke
• John: "Hello, Ben. Welcome back to the land of the living."
  
• Ben looks surprised
  
• John looks unhappy with Ben
  
  
• James721: "where are all the children ? from the tail section"
• back at the temple?
  

• What's the origin of the Anubis statue and the temple, and the heiroglyphics?
• James721: Egyptian culture formed on Island, figured out how to leave, settled in what we now call Egypt, or the Egyptians found the Island
• James721 shared a link to "ancient Egyptian submarine? http://www.catchpenny.org/abydos.html" — a site claiming that some hieroglyphics show strong resemblance to helicopters, submarines, spacecrafts, and other modern or futuristic technologies. If true (or at least "true" in the context of the show), where did the ancient Egyptians get that knowledge? From aliens? Time travelers?
  

SPOILERS:

• Preview for the next episode:
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6PHAnVM5vE
• Announcer: "From the moment he came into their lives..."
  
• Ben: "I broke the rules, John"
  
• Announcer: "Every survivor has prayed this time would come."
  
• Ben: "I came back to the Island to be judged."
  
• Ben holding a bottle on the beach
  
• Announcer: "Next Wednesday"
  
• Ben holding a gun while walking down stairs, says to someone "Not another word."
  
• Locke holding a torch in the dark
  
• Ben holding a torch
  
• Ben crawling [in a cave?] with a lantern
  
• Announcer: "For the most dangerous man on the Island..."
  
• Submarine dock
  
• Ben [to a young Danielle Rousseau?]: "Be grateful you're still alive"
  
• My wife Kylene wondered whether they show how Ben got Alex?
  
• Ilana hits someone with the butt of a shotgun
  
• Announcer: "Judgment day is here."
  
• Ben: "What's about to come out of that jungle is something I can't control."
  

POTENTIALLY MAJOR SPOILER:

• From SpoilerFix (WARNING: don't click this link unless you want to risk being majorly spoiled!)
• The next episode's title is "Dead is Dead" and it will supposedly be Kate-centric
• Supporting evidence that Kate might die:
• Frediemac: "I feel Kate has got a little redemption tonight" — main characters often have some kind of redemption and often have a flashback episode when they're going to die
  
• Miles and Hurley had a conversation in this episode about how it's possible for the time travelers to die while they're in the past
• Rumors have recently circulated on TV news sites that Evangeline Lilly might be leaving the show
  
• Evidence that she won't die:
  
• On Jimmy Kimmel Live about month ago, Evangeline Lilly (the actress who plays Kate) denied rumors that she was auditioning for other roles and said that she was very happy about being on LOST: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtUkP5Tu06g
• On the April 6th Official LOST Podcast, the executive producers indicated that the storyline this week will have to do with Locke, Ben, and Penny Widmore, and they didn't hint at anything about Kate in this episode
  

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