"Everybody Loves Hugo" Discussion

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the JoshMeister, Spivvy from The Lost Flashbacks, and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 6 Episode 12, "Everybody Loves Hugo".

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Season 6 Episode 12 "Everybody Loves Hugo":

The episode title is a reference to Season 2 Episode 4, "Everybody Hates Hurley".

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Dr. Pierre Chang narrates a presentation about Hugo Reyes, the museum's Man of the Year
• Hugo's mother Carmen tells him that she set him up with a blind date with Rosalita

2007 on the Island:

• Puts fresh flowers on Libby's grave
• Tells Libby it would be nice if she could visit him like others who have died
• Ilana says they're going to get dynamite to destroy the plane
• Whispers
• Michael: "I'm here to stop you from getting everyone killed."
• What do the whispers mean?  (Note: We find out later in the episode.)  A dead person is nearby?  We used to think it was associated with The Others or perhaps the smoke monster, but now it's really unclear; Michael can't be the smoke monster because he's stuck in the form of Locke, and it can't be The Others either
• Hurley: "Why should I trust you?  You murdered Libby and Ana Lucia"

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Libby sits down at Hugo's table at a restaurant and introduces herself
• "Hugo, do you believe that two people can be connected, like soulmates? ... You don't remember me, do you?"
• Dr. Brooks: "What are you doing, Elizabeth?"
• Libby: "He's an old friend"
• Hugo watches Libby enter a van with "Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute" on the side

2007:

• Ilana accidentally detonates the dynamite and blows herself up, à la Arzt
   
• Man in Black: "You were only able to come back to this Island because you all did it together. ... We're waiting for your friends to get back, Kate. Hugo, Sun, Jack."
• "they still can't leave yet, they dont have jin" -kane
• "trade off desmond for jin" -kane
• Charles probably wouldn't trade Jin back to the MIB, unless perhaps Charles thinks getting Desmond back will be critical to winning the war
• Sayid returns and takes the MIB to see what was on the sub—it's Desmond, who is tied to a tree
• MIB tilts his head to the side and smiles oddly
• What does he think was the purpose of bringing Desmond back to the Island?  Is he smiling out of amusement?  Or was he already hatching a plan (e.g. an exchange so he could get Jin back)?
• Hurley looks though Ilana's stuff, including a book in Russian and her bag of Jacob ash
• What does he plan to do with the ash?
• Ilana's book (if you can read Russian, please post an English translation of the book title in the comments): http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1544-167.html

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Desmond tells Hurley to give Libby a chance to explain how she thinks she knew him
• Desmond's order is number 42

2007:

• MIB frees Desmond
• Desmond responds, "Of course.  You're John Locke" when the Man in Black asks Desmond if he knows who he is
• Does Desmond really think it's Locke, or has Charles Widmore told him the truth?
   
• Ben comments on Ilana's death and wonders aloud about what will happen to the rest of them when the Island is done with them
• Meanwhile, Jack is holding a shotgun over his shoulder that's almost directly pointed at Sun's head
• Hurley detonates the Black Rock: "I'm protecting us."
• He's lucky the shrapnel didn't kill all of them

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Doctor: "She has issues with reality."
• Hurley offers a donation of $100,000 to see her
• No Leonard Simms; he was only there in the original timeline because the Island existed beyond 1977
• Libby talks about her memories of the original timeline on the Island and in the mental hospital
• Libby is there voluntarily

2007:

• MIB and Desmond see the boy in the jungle
• MIB tells Desmond to ignore him
• He really looks a lot like Jacob!
• "it's definitely jacob" -kane
• "someone point out previously it's like the island is a genesis, so jacob is being reborn. spockish" -kane
• Hurley tries to convince the others to go talk to Locke, and pretends that Jacob instructed him to do that
• What is Hurley's plan?  Why is he lying?
• Does he plan to use the Jacob dust somehow against the Man in Black?
• Richard calls him out on it, and tries to convince the others that they still need to destroy the plane
• Ben and Miles go with Richard
• Frank Lapidus shakes his head at Richard, and Jack says that he's going to go with Hurley to talk to Locke
• Sun doesn't respond; she understands English but presumably still can't speak it, but she obviously didn't choose to go with Richard
• Sun writes "Did we make a mistake?" to Lapidus, who says "Probably."
• Whispers
• Hurley: "Wait.  It's cool.  I think I know what these things are."
• Hurley to Michael: "You're stuck on the Island, arent you?"
• Michael: "Because of what I did. ... We're the ones who can't move on."
• "not sure about the whispers, i remember sayid being in the jungle by himself and he was surrounded by the whispers. so are the whispers (the ghosts) trying to warn whoever at that specific time?" -kane
• Hurley: "Do you know where Locke is?  [Michael tells him.]  Thanks.  Is, is there anything I can do to help you?"
• Michael: "Don't get yourself killed.  And Hurley?  If you ever do see Libby again, tell her I'm very sorry."
• Hurley: "I'll be sure and do that, dude."

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Picnic on a beach with Libby
• Libby kisses Hurley and he suddenly has flashes of remembrance of her
• Desmond watches them from a distance in his car, smiles, and drives off
• What does he think this is going to accomplish?

2007:

• MIB takes Desmond to a well
• MIB says people dug many such wells on the Island to try to find out why compass needles spun
• MIB: "Charles Widmore is not interested in answers.  He's only interested in power."
• MIB asks why Des isn't afraid
• Des to MIB: "What is the point in being afraid?"
• MIB throws Desmond in the well
   
• A little while later, Hurley shows up at the camp
• MIB gives his word that he and his people won't do any harm to Hurley's people

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Locke in wheelchair, Desmond watching him
• Ben knocks on Desmond's window and Desmond says he's looking for a school for his son Charlie
• Desmond and Ben met in the school parking lot, but Ben was not on Oceanic Flight 815, and neither showed any clear signs of recognizing one another
• Do only 815 survivors have flashes?
• Was Libby on 815 in the flash-sideways, or only in the original timeline?
• After Ben walks away Desmond steps on the gas and runs into Locke, who flips over the top of the car and lands on the pavement, and Desmond keeps driving
• Is Desmond absolutely insane?  Doesn't he realize there are witnesses who saw him do it, and that the damage to his car is also evidence of his guilt?  How can Desmond think he'll get away with this?
• Was Desmond trying to give Locke a near-death experience to try to get him to have flashes of the original timeline?
• "Locke is already with his true love so he may be trying to kill him" -KateJack
• Or perhaps since Locke already has his true love, Desmond was trying an alternative method to get him to remember the original timeline instead of trying to reunite lost lovers
• "do u think locke loves the island more? same thing for ben, ben loved the island more than anything. but des is just getting the survivors together" -kane
• "Locke did just push him down a well" -KateJack
• Sort of.  The Man in Black in the guise of Locke pushed Desmond into a well.  We know that Desmond can see flashes from the original timeline that took place in the future from his current existence in 2004; for example, the flash of Charlie with "Not Penny's Boat" written on his hand occurred nearly three months after the plane crash (see Lostpedia's December 2004 timeline), and only "about a week" has elapsed since the plane landed safely in the flash-sideways timeline according to Desmond (see this episode's transcript).  Bringing this back to Locke, perhaps Desmond had a flash of "Locke" throwing him into a well, and Desmond was getting revenge on Locke (not knowing that the MIB disguised as John Locke was actually the one who threw him into the well)

Screenshots and Easter Eggs:

• Ilana's book (if you can read Russian, please post an English translation of the book title in the comments): http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1544-167.html

SPOILERS:

Preview for next week's episode:

• Weird Willy Wonka music throughout
• Shots of Jack, Claire, Sayid
• Locke from the flash-sideways, all bandaged up
• Kate looking back with a backpack on
• Perspective from above Desmond as he looks up out of the well
• People running through the jungle
• Jack turns around toward the camera
• Alternating half of Locke's face on the left side and the other half of Claire's face on the right side
• "setting up the sides. light dark good evil. sane insane,lol" -kane
• Hurley turning toward the camera, with Jack, Sun, and Frank walking behind him
• A woman (probably Zoe) stands in front of the MIB holding what looks like a walkie-talkie, and a giant fireball explosion happens in the background; MIB is unfazed
• Jack running
• Sawyer coming out of the jungle
• Panning down Sayid's chest to his hands holding a handgun
• People run by with guns, followed by a close-up on Claire
• Close-up of Desmond, turns toward the camera looking up
• Sayid shooting a gun downward (down into the well at Desmond?)
• THE TIME IS NOW
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki2IeVW8fds 

The episode title is "The Last Recruit" which makes me think the Man in Black may try to trade Desmond for Jin now that he has all the other candidates.  I've also heard the suggestion that "the last recruit" might be Jack, who may be the least willing to follow the Man in Black.

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"Happily Ever After" Discussion

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the JoshMeister, Alex "Congested" from Audibly Lost and DarkUFOlogy, Josh "Spivvy" from The Lost Flashbacks, and other fellow LOST fans discuss Season 6 Episode 11, "Happily Ever After".

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First, a couple of quick notes.

An additional note about Season 6 Episode 10, "The Package": Since Charles Widmore has Jin, the Man in Black can't get Jin to leave the Island. This may foil the MIB's plan, because he commented to Claire that he needed to get all the candidates to go with him in order to leave the Island.

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Season 6 Episode 11 "Happily Ever After":

2007 on the Island:

• Desmond wakes up
• Zoe says he's been unconscious for 3 days
• Charles Widmore tells Des that he was shot by Benjamin Linus
• Widmore to Des: "The island isn't done with you yet."
• One of Widmore's henchmen spoke about solenoids.  Definition, please?
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solenoid
• "I'm going to ask you to make a sacrifice.

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Des talks to Claire after Flight 815 and offers to give her a ride
• Des guesses that Claire is having a boy
• George Minkowski picks up Des and offers to take him to his hotel, and Des asks him to go to the office
• Des was in Australia to seal a deal for his boss -- he's the boss's right-hand man
• Des doesn't have a wedding ring and he says he's not interested in companionship
• This is odd because he did wear a wedding ring on the plane; was this a production error?  The actor who plays Desmond—Henry Ian Cusick—is married, which could perhaps explain this mistake
• Des walks into the boss's office and it's Charles Widmore!  They greet each other by first name and with big smiles and a hug
• Charles says his son (Daniel Faraday?) is a musician
• Charles asks Des to babysit Charlie Pace for "Mrs. Widmore"
• Charles is still married to Eloise, apparently
• Charles offers his 60-year-old Scotch to Des, and says "Nothing's too good for you."
• Charlie tried to swallow his heroin to hide the evidence from the Marshal, not commit suicide
• Charlie says when he saw Claire on the plane, and just as he was about to die he felt like they had always been together, in love
• Charlie: "I've seen the truth"
• Charlie jerks steering wheel, car goes into water
• Des has flashes of "Not Penny's Boat" just before he saves Charlie's life
• Des at hospital, goes in MRI machine, has flashes of Charlie Pace, Penny, his son Charlie
• Charlie: "None of this matters.  All that matters is that we felt it. ... Start looking for Penny."
• Eloise Widmore: "What happened, happened."
• Desmond thinks he hears the name Penny on the guest list, and Eloise forbids him from seeing it
• Oddly, it sounded like Penny's last name isn't Widmore; is she previously married?  Would Charles have some reason to conceal that he was her father?
• Eloise pulls Desmond aside and talks very much like Eloise Hawking, as though she knows what's happening to Desmond
• "well what gets me, and we discussed this on big-o, is how does she know so much about desmond specifically. less in this one and more in FBYE. obviously she knows about the alt-split because she knew an alt dan came and blew the bomb up" -congested
• "and could she know about Desmond from what she was told by the Losties?" -Spivvy
• She knows it from the journal!  "Desmond Hume will be my constant."
• Rewatch Season 3 Episode 8, "Flashes Before Your Eyes" for a refresher on Eloise (watch on Netflix)
• Daniel Widmore (aka Daniel Faraday in the original timeline) catches Desmond before he leaves and says he needs to talk to him
• Dan tells Desmond about his first experience seeing Charlotte
• He pulls out his journal and sketches out quantium mechanics even though he's just a musician
• Daniel says the only way to stop it is to set off a nuclear bomb, but he says "I think I already did"
• "Why did you ask my mother about a woman named Penny?  It happened to you, too, didn't it?  
• You felt it? ... Yes, you do.  You felt love."
• "She's an idea."
• "No, Mr. Hume.  She's my half-sister.  And I can tell you exactly where and when you can find her."
• Who is Penny's mother?
• Margo Shephard -congested's crackpot theory
• Penny is running on the stairs in the stadium
• "Hello, I'm Desmond."
• He shakes hands with Penny and immediately wakes up on the Island

2007:

• Desmond volunteers to help
• Sayid kills two Widmore men
• Desmond calmly walks off with Sayid - did Charles Widmore instruct Desmond to do that?

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Des fainted when Penny shook his hand
• Desmond's consciousness travels through time again, à la Season 3?
• Penny: "Have we met before?"
• Des invites Penny to go for a coffee
• Des asks George Minkowski for the flight manifest and says "I just need to show them something"
• This totally reminds me of the plot of a weak movie that's a partial ripoff of LOST: Passengers starring Anne Hathaway: (watch on Netflix; or learn more on IMDb)
• Cindy could get the flight manifest; perhaps she has ties with Widmore in this timeline
• "also my new [joke] theory. desmond is going to get the manifest because he figured out that all their names form a massive anagram explaining the sideways universe" -congested

"jack, kate, sun: mirror [in their flash-sideways]. sawyer: broken mirror. jin, sayid, and desmond: reflection. ben reflection also. john i cant remember i think mirror." -jennielyn

Theory: In the flash-sideways the cork doesn't exist; it got blown up, so the smoke monster has freedom. He wants there to be just one timeline, and not the one they're in now.  That explains why Widmore says they won't exist if the smoke monster gets his way. -congested

Theory: The "normal" timeline may be Jacob's timeline, and the flash-sideways is the Man in Black's timeline. In the alternate timeline, the MIB is free from Jacob because Jacob is presumably dead and all the candidates are not able to be on the Island. -congested

Screenshots and Easter Eggs:

• Dan's journal: (screenshot 1, screenshot 2, screenshot 3)

SPOILERS:

Preview for next week's episode:

• Michael to Hurley: "People are going to die and it's going to be your fault."
• Hurley: "I know what we need to do.  Trust me, Jack."
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQrjq1X5zKI 

The episode title is "Everybody Loves Hugo" (a reference to Season 2 Episode 4, "Everybody Hates Hurley").

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"The Package" Discussion

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the JoshMeister, Spivvy from The Lost Flashbacks, and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 6 Episode 10, "The Package".

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Geronimo Jack's Beard (Jorge Garcia's podcast) had especially good podcast about Season 6 Episode 9, "Ab Aeterno".  Nestor Carbonell, who plays Richard Alpert, was a guest co-host:

• http://geronimojacksbeard.blogspot.com/2010/03/episode-609-ab-aeterno.html

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Season 6 Episode 10 "The Package":

2007 on the Island:

• Someone is watching Sawyer, Kate, Claire, and the MIB with night vision - they can hear what Sawyer is saying to Kate
• Will Widmore know about Sawyer's plan to double-cross him?  Sawyer revealed his whole plan out loud to Kate
   
• The Man in Black (in the guise of Locke) tells Jin that he isn't sure whether Jin or Sun is the Kwon whose name is in the cave
  MIB says that all names that aren't crossed off need to leave the Island together
  
  • Why?
  • Maybe it's his loophole: he can't kill the candidates, but maybe he can achieve victory if he gets them all to leave the Island
  • What the MIB's plan be foiled if Claire killed Kate, or if Kate was left behind on the Island because the MIB doesn't think she's a candidate anymore?

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Jin was supposed to deliver the money that was confiscated at the airport along with the watch
• Jin and Sun are not married and have two different rooms reserved

2007:

• MIB asks Sayid to watch camp until morning
• Sayid says he doesn't feel anything: anger, happiness, or pain
• MIB: "Maybe that's best, Sayid.  It'll help you get through what's coming."
• Jin prepares to sneak away when he sees the MIB leave.  He tells Sawyer he's going to go look for Sun at the temple
• Immediately after this, Widmore's people shoot Jin, Sawyer, Claire, and the other MIB followers with tranquilizers, and Zoe identifies Jin
   
• Sun is upset, presumably because she wants to find Jin
• Jack tries to tell Sun about the lighthouse, but she won't listen

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Sun apparently came to Los Angeles with Jin because she was on a shopping trip
• Sun strips for Jin and stays the night in his hotel room; apparently they have a preexisting relationship

2007:

• MIB approaches Sun and says he found her husband
• Sun says she doesn't trust him because he killed the people at the temple.  He sais they could have chosen to follow him but didn't, and that he didn't want to kill them.  Then he gives Sun the choice to go with him
• Um, yeah, sounds like a great plan.  So her choices were to either go with the murderer, or refuse and presumably get killed by him
• MIB says Jin is waiting, and stretches out his hand, but Sun runs away and is chased by him
• Sun runs into a tree and is knocked unconscious.  Meanwhile he returns to his camp
• Why didn't he kill Sun if she's a candidate?  Apparently he can't kill candidates according to the boy in the jungle several episodes back
• Why didn't he at least pick her up and take her back?
• He fought with and picked up Richard Alpert several episodes ago, so we know he's physically capable of doing so
• "because it wouldn't be her free will - she has to go with him freely" -kane

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Sun suggests to Jin that they run away together
• Sun looks in the mirror (yet another instance of seeing a main character's reflection in the flash-sideways)
• Keamy is at the door and he invites himself in

2007:

• Zoe has taken Jin to Room 23 on the Hydra island
• It's implied that it's the same one but looks different
• See the link to screenshots below in the Screenshots and Easter Eggs section
   
• Claire asks MIB if her name was on the wall, and he says "No."
• She's concerned that Locke doesn't need her anymore, and she's concerned that Aaron won't recognize her as his mother
• MIB tells Claire that he's "three people shy of getting off this Island and Kate can help me get these people on this plane.  But when she does, whatever happens happens."
• Who are the three?  Jack, Hurley, and Sun?  He has Sawyer and Jin.  He thinks Kate is no longer a candidate.  Does he think that Sayid is still a candidate, or does he think there are only 5 candidates instead of the 6 that Ilana knows about?
• Theory: Kate is going to replace Jacob, or at least she's very important to Jacob's plan; Jacob seems to be keeping her candidacy a secret.  Again, the MIB's plan may be foiled if he leaves Kate behind on the Island

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Omar shows up, checks the bathroom and finds Jin there
• Keamy asks Omar to get Danny's friend Mikhail, the Russian guy who speaks like 9 different languages
• Yep, it's the same Mikhail who was "Patchy" on the Island—only he has both of his eyes in the flash-sideways

2007:

• Sun can only speak Korean after bumping her head, but she can still understand English
• Theory: Is she merging in some small way with her flash-sideways self?
• Richard Alpert comes back with Hurley, and Richard is wearing his cross necklace.  Ilana is happy to see that she was right; Jacob hasn't let her down
    
• MIB sees pylons on the beach
• "i wont lie.  I forgot about Sayid in this scene. I also really hoped the Canoe shoot out would happen" -Spivvy
• MIB to Widmore: "A wise man once said that war was coming to this Island.  I think he just got here." -MIB, recalling Locke's memory of Widmore's own statement from Season 5 Episode 7, "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham": "Because there's a war coming, John. And if you're not back on the Island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win."
• It's interesting that MIB calls Widmore a wise man (is he just mocking him?)
• MIB seems to be implying that Widmore is the cause of the war

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Sun finds out that her father, Mr. Paik, closed her bank account and stole her money
• Keamy and Omar lock up Jin in the kitchen
• Keamy says that the $25,000 was his fee for killing Jin

2007:

• Zoe: "Maybe you should have put a mercenary in charge instead of a geophysicist."
• Widmore shows Jin photos of Ji Yeon on Sun's camera
• Widmore claims that if the MIB leaves the Island, "everyone we know and love would simply cease to be."
• Widmore's statements are very similar to Jacob's statements to Richard; it would seem that Widmore is indeed on Jacob's side
• "what does that mean [that everyone would simply cease to be]?" -baileybear
• Will the MIB kill everyone?  Would it cause some sort of time paradox?  Perhaps that would resolve the two timelines
• Widmore: "Come with me.  I think it's time for you to see the package."
• Jin: "What package?"
• Widmore: "It's not a what.  It's a who."
• Rejected theories mentioned by Spivvy: Flash-sideways Jin?  Walt?  25-year-old Ji Yeon?
• Was Desmond behind the padlocked door?
• "how can Desmond be used? don't they use 'package' in the military?" -baileybear
• Is Desmond a compass because the Island wants him to come back?
• Miles and Charlotte returned
• Desmond returned
• "right, how did widmore find the island?" -kane
• Maybe from Eloise Hawking?
• "Widmore came from the time when Locke was dead. so where is the Alt timeline?" -baileybear
• "i think he means that Eloise would help Widmore get to the Island to stop MIB and in doing so change history so that Daniel lives" -Spivvy
• "if there is an alt time off the island wouldn't Widmore have come from that time back to the island?" -bailebear
• "that's a theory.  that this Widmore is from the alt.   but I don't think it's right" -Spivvy

2004 "flash-sideways":

• Sayid gives Jin a small knife to cut himself loose
• Keamy didn't die after all when Sayid shot him
• "Keamy again doesn't die right away. Mirror" -baileybear
• Mikhail returns with Sun
• Jin and Mikhail fight, Jin shoots Mikhail through the eye (so long, Patchy!), Sun gets hit by a stray bullet or two during the fight
• Sun tells Jin that she's pregnant

2007:

• Jack tries to get Sun to write in English, and she can
• Jack promises to help Sun find Jin and get them on the plane and as far away from the Island as possible
•  How the heck does he think they're going to get the plane working?  You need a pilot (maybe Frank) and fuel (although perhaps there's still some fuel left), but how would they turn it around without heavy machinery or a bigger runway?  How would they be able to repair the damage caused by the crash landing?
• Sayid sees them taking Desmond off the sub
• "do you think Sayid will report to Flocke about Desmond?" -baileybear
• What would the fact that Desmond is there mean to the MIB?

"there still has to be [another flashback] (adam and eve in the cave)" -kane

Screenshots and Easter Eggs:

• Screenshots of Room 23

SPOILERS:

Preview for next week's episode:

• Widmore: "...make a sacrifice."
• Widmore: "The Island isn't done with you yet" (presumably said to Desmond)
• 6 episodes left until the series finale
• "i thought i saw something torn apart in the middle of he ocean. like a raft." -baileybear 
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-h5Wt0dYTY 

Notes from The Official LOST Podcast:

• We're going to see Libby again this season
• The title of the series finale episode is "The End"
• Perhaps this is meant to imply finality; no spin-off TV shows, no movies, etc.; LOST is really, truly done

"In one week, the conversation is going to change." -@DamonLindelof

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