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Monday, April 05, 2010

"The Package" Discussion

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the JoshMeister, Spivvy from The Lost Flashbacks, and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 6 Episode 10, "The Package".

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And now without any further ado...

Season 6 Episode 10 "The Package":

2007 on the Island:
  • Someone is watching Sawyer, Kate, Claire, and the MIB with night vision - they can hear what Sawyer is saying to Kate
    • Will Widmore know about Sawyer's plan to double-cross him?  Sawyer revealed his whole plan out loud to Kate
       
  • The Man in Black (in the guise of Locke) tells Jin that he isn't sure whether Jin or Sun is the Kwon whose name is in the cave
    MIB says that all names that aren't crossed off need to leave the Island together
    • Why?
      • Maybe it's his loophole: he can't kill the candidates, but maybe he can achieve victory if he gets them all to leave the Island
      • What the MIB's plan be foiled if Claire killed Kate, or if Kate was left behind on the Island because the MIB doesn't think she's a candidate anymore?
2004 "flash-sideways":
  • Jin was supposed to deliver the money that was confiscated at the airport along with the watch
  • Jin and Sun are not married and have two different rooms reserved
    2007:
    • MIB asks Sayid to watch camp until morning
    • Sayid says he doesn't feel anything: anger, happiness, or pain
    • MIB: "Maybe that's best, Sayid.  It'll help you get through what's coming."
    • Jin prepares to sneak away when he sees the MIB leave.  He tells Sawyer he's going to go look for Sun at the temple
    • Immediately after this, Widmore's people shoot Jin, Sawyer, Claire, and the other MIB followers with tranquilizers, and Zoe identifies Jin
       
    • Sun is upset, presumably because she wants to find Jin
    • Jack tries to tell Sun about the lighthouse, but she won't listen
    2004 "flash-sideways":
    • Sun apparently came to Los Angeles with Jin because she was on a shopping trip
    • Sun strips for Jin and stays the night in his hotel room; apparently they have a preexisting relationship
    2007:
    • MIB approaches Sun and says he found her husband
    • Sun says she doesn't trust him because he killed the people at the temple.  He sais they could have chosen to follow him but didn't, and that he didn't want to kill them.  Then he gives Sun the choice to go with him
      • Um, yeah, sounds like a great plan.  So her choices were to either go with the murderer, or refuse and presumably get killed by him
    • MIB says Jin is waiting, and stretches out his hand, but Sun runs away and is chased by him
    • Sun runs into a tree and is knocked unconscious.  Meanwhile he returns to his camp
      • Why didn't he kill Sun if she's a candidate?  Apparently he can't kill candidates according to the boy in the jungle several episodes back
      • Why didn't he at least pick her up and take her back?
        • He fought with and picked up Richard Alpert several episodes ago, so we know he's physically capable of doing so
        • "because it wouldn't be her free will - she has to go with him freely" -kane
    2004 "flash-sideways":
    • Sun suggests to Jin that they run away together
    • Sun looks in the mirror (yet another instance of seeing a main character's reflection in the flash-sideways)
    • Keamy is at the door and he invites himself in
      2007:
      • Zoe has taken Jin to Room 23 on the Hydra island
        • It's implied that it's the same one but looks different
        • See the link to screenshots below in the Screenshots and Easter Eggs section
           
      • Claire asks MIB if her name was on the wall, and he says "No."
      • She's concerned that Locke doesn't need her anymore, and she's concerned that Aaron won't recognize her as his mother
      • MIB tells Claire that he's "three people shy of getting off this Island and Kate can help me get these people on this plane.  But when she does, whatever happens happens."
        • Who are the three?  Jack, Hurley, and Sun?  He has Sawyer and Jin.  He thinks Kate is no longer a candidate.  Does he think that Sayid is still a candidate, or does he think there are only 5 candidates instead of the 6 that Ilana knows about?
        • Theory: Kate is going to replace Jacob, or at least she's very important to Jacob's plan; Jacob seems to be keeping her candidacy a secret.  Again, the MIB's plan may be foiled if he leaves Kate behind on the Island
      2004 "flash-sideways":
      • Omar shows up, checks the bathroom and finds Jin there
      • Keamy asks Omar to get Danny's friend Mikhail, the Russian guy who speaks like 9 different languages
        • Yep, it's the same Mikhail who was "Patchy" on the Island—only he has both of his eyes in the flash-sideways
      2007:
      • Sun can only speak Korean after bumping her head, but she can still understand English
        • Theory: Is she merging in some small way with her flash-sideways self?
      • Richard Alpert comes back with Hurley, and Richard is wearing his cross necklace.  Ilana is happy to see that she was right; Jacob hasn't let her down
          
      • MIB sees pylons on the beach
        • "i wont lie.  I forgot about Sayid in this scene. I also really hoped the Canoe shoot out would happen" -Spivvy
      • MIB to Widmore: "A wise man once said that war was coming to this Island.  I think he just got here." -MIB, recalling Locke's memory of Widmore's own statement from Season 5 Episode 7, "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham": "Because there's a war coming, John. And if you're not back on the Island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win."
        • It's interesting that MIB calls Widmore a wise man (is he just mocking him?)
        • MIB seems to be implying that Widmore is the cause of the war
      2004 "flash-sideways":
      • Sun finds out that her father, Mr. Paik, closed her bank account and stole her money
      • Keamy and Omar lock up Jin in the kitchen
      • Keamy says that the $25,000 was his fee for killing Jin
      2007:
      • Zoe: "Maybe you should have put a mercenary in charge instead of a geophysicist."
      • Widmore shows Jin photos of Ji Yeon on Sun's camera
      • Widmore claims that if the MIB leaves the Island, "everyone we know and love would simply cease to be."
        • Widmore's statements are very similar to Jacob's statements to Richard; it would seem that Widmore is indeed on Jacob's side
        • "what does that mean [that everyone would simply cease to be]?" -baileybear
          • Will the MIB kill everyone?  Would it cause some sort of time paradox?  Perhaps that would resolve the two timelines
      • Widmore: "Come with me.  I think it's time for you to see the package."
      • Jin: "What package?"
      • Widmore: "It's not a what.  It's a who."
        • Rejected theories mentioned by Spivvy: Flash-sideways Jin?  Walt?  25-year-old Ji Yeon?
        • Was Desmond behind the padlocked door?
        • "how can Desmond be used? don't they use 'package' in the military?" -baileybear
          • Is Desmond a compass because the Island wants him to come back?
            • Miles and Charlotte returned
            • Desmond returned
        • "right, how did widmore find the island?" -kane
          • Maybe from Eloise Hawking?
          • "Widmore came from the time when Locke was dead. so where is the Alt timeline?" -baileybear
            • "i think he means that Eloise would help Widmore get to the Island to stop MIB and in doing so change history so that Daniel lives" -Spivvy
          • "if there is an alt time off the island wouldn't Widmore have come from that time back to the island?" -bailebear
            • "that's a theory.  that this Widmore is from the alt.   but I don't think it's right" -Spivvy
      2004 "flash-sideways":
      • Sayid gives Jin a small knife to cut himself loose
      • Keamy didn't die after all when Sayid shot him
        • "Keamy again doesn't die right away. Mirror" -baileybear
      • Mikhail returns with Sun
      • Jin and Mikhail fight, Jin shoots Mikhail through the eye (so long, Patchy!), Sun gets hit by a stray bullet or two during the fight
        • Sun tells Jin that she's pregnant
      2007:
      • Jack tries to get Sun to write in English, and she can
      • Jack promises to help Sun find Jin and get them on the plane and as far away from the Island as possible
        •  How the heck does he think they're going to get the plane working?  You need a pilot (maybe Frank) and fuel (although perhaps there's still some fuel left), but how would they turn it around without heavy machinery or a bigger runway?  How would they be able to repair the damage caused by the crash landing?
      • Sayid sees them taking Desmond off the sub
        • "do you think Sayid will report to Flocke about Desmond?" -baileybear
        • What would the fact that Desmond is there mean to the MIB?
      "there still has to be [another flashback] (adam and eve in the cave)" -kane

      Screenshots and Easter Eggs:
          SPOILERS:
            Preview for next week's episode:
            • Widmore: "...make a sacrifice."
            • Widmore: "The Island isn't done with you yet" (presumably said to Desmond)
            • 6 episodes left until the series finale
            • "i thought i saw something torn apart in the middle of he ocean. like a raft." -baileybear 
            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-h5Wt0dYTY 
            Notes from The Official LOST Podcast:
            • We're going to see Libby again this season
            • The title of the series finale episode is "The End"
              • Perhaps this is meant to imply finality; no spin-off TV shows, no movies, etc.; LOST is really, truly done
            "In one week, the conversation is going to change." -@DamonLindelof

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