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Tuesday, March 31, 2009

"He's Our You" Discussion

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the JoshMeister and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 5 Episode 10, "He's Our You", and take a look at what we might see in episode 11, "What Happened, Happened".

The Official LOST Podcast - Non-spoiler notes:
  • Horace Goodspeed and Amy are Ethan's parents -- they confirmed that it's Ethan Rom, the same one who later became an Other, recruited Juliet, and abducted Claire

  • Geronimo Jackson song "Dharma Lady" from last week's episode "Namaste" is available on iTunes for free!

  • The popups are not canon. They are not regulated by the executive producers.

  • Sayid said on the show that there was an energy source behind the wall in the Swan Station. The concrete wall sealed off the station from that energy. Every 108 minutes, pushing the button "dispelled some release of energy that basically kept that thing at bay" like a dam.

  • Charlotte was not, in fact, born in 1979 as Ben says to her in "Confirmed Dead." She was really born in 1970 or 1971. The actress, Rebecca Mader, did not want to be viewed as being that much older, so she changed it on the set to 1979, but that change was not authorized by the writers or producers who knew about the time travel that would take place this season.
LOSTCasts notes:
  • How did The Others know to build a runway? Did someone (Jacob, Richard, Ben) predict/visit the future and know about Ajira Flight 316? Who specifically were they trying to save? Ben? Sun? Will Christian help Sun fix time so she can get back with Jin?

  • Did Ethan kill his dad (Horace Goodspeed) as part of the initiation into the Others? I looked up the date of the Purge, and it took place in 1992, so Ethan would have been about 15 at the time.
Season 5 Episode 10 "He's Our You" notes:
  • Flashback
    • As a young boy, Sayid killed a chicken when another boy (his older brother?) was afraid to
    • TheMissingToe: "Wasn't that young Sayid scene with the chicken similar to Yemi and Eko? (but with a chicken instead of a person?)"

  • 1977
    • Young Ben claims he talked to Richard 4 years ago, which would be 1973, and Ben arrived on the Island in 1972 (see Lostpedia's pre-crash timeline)

  • Flashback (sometime between October 2005 and late 2007)
    • Sayid working as Ben's assassin shoots a man and doesn't take his money
    • Meets with Ben
    • Ben: "Nowhere. You're done. We're done. You've taken care of everyone who was a threat to your friends."
    • Ben says they're from Widmore's organization

  • 1977
    • Sayid says Ben is a 12-year-old
      • Ben was born sometime in the 1960s. If Sayid is correct about Ben's age, this would put Ben's birth year at 1964 or 1965
    • Sayid chooses to be on his own rather than cooperate with Sawyer and become part of DHARMA

    • Hurley's assignment is in food preparation
      • His jumpsuit has a new DHARMA logo (representing food service; Kate and Juliet also have a mechanic DHARMA logo on their suits)
    • Kate finds out from Hurley that Sawyer and Juliet are together

    • Ben gets in trouble with his dad for bringing Sayid a sandwich; Ben admits that nobody asked him to make the sandwich

  • Flashback to 2007
    • Sayid is building a home in a yellow shirt
    • Ben comes to Sayid and says that John is dead and he thinks someone killed him
    • Ben says killing is in Sayid's nature

  • 1977
    • They take Sayid to Oldham. Sayid asks who he is, and Sawyer says "He's our you."
    • They strap him to a tree so his arms are out to his sides in a crucifixion pose
    • Oldham to Sayid: "There are side effects to what I'm giving you."
    • Oldham to Sayid: "One thing's for sure, friend. You will tell us the truth."

  • Flashback to 2007
    • Sun holding a gun to Ben, says he doesn't want any part of this and says "it will be extremely unpleasant for us both" if he sees Ben again
    • Sayid goes to a bar to get MacCutcheon
    • Ilana - she orders a "ribeye - bloody"
    • Ilana: "I like sad men."
    • She asks what Sayid does for a living, and he says he's trying to change

  • 1977
    • Sayid tells the truth to Oldham and the other DHARMA folks
    • "You're all going to die, you know. You're going to be killed."
    • Oldham: "Maybe I should use half a dropper. Oops."
    • Sayid: "You used exactly enough!" and he laughs insanely

    • James called Radzinsky "Stu"
    • Radzinsky: "Either we make a decision or I call Ann Arbor and they make a decision for us."
      • Ann Arbor, Michigan is the location of University of Michigan, where Karen and Gerald DeGroot founded the DHARMA Initiative with funding from the Hanso Foundation
    • Amy: "I can't sleep with one eye open."

  • Flashback to 2007
    • Sayid makes out with Ilana and they get in bed together
    • She kicks Sayid, points a gun at him, and promises to take Sayid back to Guam to pay for killing Peter Avellino

  • 1977
    • Sayid tells Sawyer he know exactly why he's there, and Sawyer says "To get shot? Are you out of your mind?"

    • Sawyer asks Kate why she came back. She says she doesn't know why the rest came back, but she knows why she did.
    • Kate doesn't get to finish the conversation because a flaming DHARMA bus drives by!
      • Young Ben apparently did it so he could release Sayid
    • Sayid to Ben: "My father was a hard man as well."
      • Young Ben: "If I let you out, will you take me to your people?"
      • Sayid: "Yes, Ben. That's why I'm here."

  • Flashback to 2007
    • Sayid: "Are you sure we're going to Guam?"
    • He sees Kate and realizes he's going back to the Island
    • Sayid asks Ilana if she's working for Benjamin Linus. She asks who he is and says "Why would I work for someone like that?" — not explicitly denying it

  • 1977
    • Sayid to Young Ben: "You were right about me. I am a killer."
    • Sayid shoots Ben once near the heart.

  • Did Ben really die?
    • irvine_cattle_ranch: "Is this when Ben finds that he can't die? The island won't let him?"

  • dannoatlarge wonders whether Jack could save Ben's life a second time (that is, Jack's second time saving Ben's life, but chronologically Ben's first time getting saved by Jack ;o)
    • That could explain why Ben wanted Jack there when Flight 815 crashed. After all, Jack "wasn't even on Jacob's list" according to Danny Pickett in Season 3 Episode 6, "I Do".

  • baileybear wonders whether Amy is a mole; she wanted to make sure Sayid got killed (although perhaps that was just a motherly concern and not an indication of undercover espionage)
    • TheMissingToe points out that this theory could explain how Ethan became an Other; his mom brought him in
    • diesel929 speculates that perhaps both Amy and Paul were moles, "hence the ankh"
      • The ankh could be a possible connection with the (Anubis?) statue which appeared to be holding an ankh, which could indicate that Paul and Amy were association with whomever built the statue on the beach, which could possibly be Island natives, who might be associated with the Hostiles/Others -- after all, if Richard Alpert never ages, he may have been on the Island when the statue was built
    • Personally, I don't know if there's sufficient evidence yet to come to that conclusion, but it's an interesting idea so I thought it was worth posting
  • Screenshots and Easter Eggs:
    • The book that Ben gave to Sayid was A Separate Reality (Wikipedia link) — see also this Sledgeweb's LOST...Stuff article
      • Ben says he read it twice
      • It's about drug use
      • danzam: "it's all an illusion. Sayid tonight is given LSD to speak the truth. LSD was created by Timothy Leary and get this with a Dr Richard Alpert who later became Baba Ram Das and wrote 'Be Here Now' in the late 60's."

    • Photos of Young Ben getting shot also from Sledgeweb's site
  • Preview for the next episode:
    • Kate: "We caused this."
    • Jack: "I was trying to save you."
    • Juliet: "We didn't need saving."
    • Horace: "Somebody let him out of his cell. It was one of us."
    • Jack: "We're under house arrest."
    • Sawyer to Kate: "Keep your mouth shut and stop asking questions."

  • From SpoilerFix (WARNING: don't click this link unless you want to risk being majorly spoiled!)
    • The next episode's title is "Whatever Happened, Happened"
  • The Official LOST Podcast (spoilery stuff):
    • A fan wrote in and asked about Walt's dream about John Locke, in which John was in a suit and surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him. Damon said that the people who wanted to hurt him could either be before the Island (e.g. the Oceanic Six) or the Ajira Flight 316 survivors. He hinted that it's the Ajira folks but doesn't confirm anything.

    • Damon confirmed that Jacob told someone to build the runway next to the Hydra station. Damon: "Jacob said to somebody 'build a runway.' So, you know, Ben was building a runway. He's always been a dutiful soldier. So were we planning on something landing on the runway?"
    • Carlton: "Well, no, but Jacob might have been."
    • Damon: "Jacob might have been. If you're building a runway, something's gonna land on it, right?"

    • We will see another scene with Ethan this season.

    • The season finale episode is called "The Incident". It will be two hours back-to-back on May 13, 2009.
    • The surprise in the season finale this year is something "you'd never see coming in a million years," there will be "some mythological elements to it"

    • We're going to find out more about the Swan station this season. Carlton hinted that the station has something to do with the Incident in the finale.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009

"Namaste" Discussion

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the JoshMeister and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 5 Episode 9, "Namaste" and take a look at what we might see in episode 10, "He's Our You".

Season 5 Episode 9 "Namaste" notes:
  • Present (2007)
    • We see how Ajira 316 crashed - Frank landed on the runway, but they were going too fast and crashed into trees, and the copilot was impaled by a branch

    • Sun was with Frank, not back in time with Jack, et al.

    • Ben wasn't among the injured yet!? Who injured him after the crash? Caesar? Sun? Ilana?
      • baileybear: "How did Illana see them leave on the boat? It seemed they traveled quite a bit to the boats."
        • Did Ilana drag Ben back to the hatch? Did Frank go back and tell the other survivors that he was going to the other island on a boat? The latter seems less likely because some of the other survivors would have probably wanted to go with them
  • 30 years earlier (1977)
    • Jin going to the Flame to find out from Radzinsky if he's seen anyone else from the plane crash
    • Juliet says there's a sub coming in this afternoon. Is she jealous of Kate being back? Does she think James likes Kate better? Or was she just saying that because it was part of the con we find out about later to make it look like Jack, Kate, and Hurley were on the sub?
      • natalie_in_seattle: "Juliet made Kate a mechanic so that she can keep an eye on Kate....keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer"
  • Present
    • Frank says he can't make contact with the radio, but not to worry because once they realize
    • Caesar says there are building and cages, Ben walks off, Sun follows
    • Frank watches Sun walk off after Ben

  • 30 years earlier
    • Juliet goes to Amy to get the incoming sub's manifest
    • Amy mentions Pierre (Chang?)
    • Amy says her son's name is Ethan! She delivered a future Other and friend?
      • His name was Ethan Rom, though, not Ethan Goodspeed; what's with the different last names if it's the same person?

    • Sawyer tells Jack, Kate, and Hurley to dress like recruits and pretend to have been on the sub; he says nobody on the sub will know because all the other recruits were unconscious

    • Radzinsky's computer senses activity in Grid 325 and thinks there's a hostile in their perimeter
      • Jin runs there and finds Sayid
      • Radzinsky catches up and Jin has to pretend to not know Sayid and treat him like a hostile

    • The Swan station hadn't been built yet
      • AstroJones from Sledgeweb's site points out that it's weird for Radzinsky to have spent so much time creating the blast door map when he already knew so much about DHARMA and the stations
        • TheMissingToe: "Maybe Razinsky was trapped in the hatch when the purge happened. He was trying to map everything from memory to form some type of plan."

    • Jin tells Sawyer over the walkie-talkie that he found Sayid
      • Anyone could have been listening in! What would DHARMA think if they knew that Jin and "LaFleur" knew a supposed hostile by name?
  • Present
    • Ben plans to take an outrigger to the main island
    • Sun wants to go to the main island with him in hopes that Jin is there
      • Sun says "I have to trust him"

    • Ben starts to explain to Frank that he can get supplies for the survivors from the barracks (aka New Otherton), and Sun knocks Ben out, and tells Frank "I lied" [about trusting Ben]

  • 30 years earlier
    • Sawyer rescues Sayid but has to make Sayid admit to being a hostile

  • Present
    • Frank and Sun arrive at the other island
    • The pier is a mess, and something large rustles the branches
      • Sun and the viewers wonder if it might be the smoke monster
    • They go to New Otherton which is all run down
    • They hears whispers
    • A light comes on in a building that still has a DHARMA logo on it
    • Christian Shephard greets them, and Sun (not knowing who he is) asks if he knows where Jin is. Christian smiles and says 'Follow me."
      • The last person Christian asked to follow him was Claire, who many fans presume to now be dead (since she didn't seem at all bothered to have given up Aaron, etc.)
      • Christian shows Sun a photograph of Jin with her friends in the DHARMA Initiative in 1977 with the new recruits (see later for a possible Easter egg)

  • 30 years earlier
    • Young Ben brings Sayid a sandwich — is this before or after Ben has started to meet with Richard Alpert and rebel against DHARMA? He looks older, but of course the actor is older than he was when the other scene was filmed
  • baileybear: "I have a question. Can the Oceanic 6 that are in Dharma now be killed in 1970's? They are alive in 2004. I'm confused"
    • TheMissingToe: "Yes they can be killed - they are on their own timeline even though they are time traveling. That's why Frogurt could be killed"
    • Josh further explains time travel and potential paradoxes on the podcast

  • baileybear: "Radzinsky wanted to kill Sayid because he was a hostile. Wouldn't that break the agreement?"
    • Yes, but only if Sayid had not identified himself as being a hostile, according to Sawyer. But of course, Sawyer made Sayid admit to being a "hostile" so Radzinsky wouldn't be able to kill Sayid without breaking the truce
  • baileybear: "why is Christian still in charge? Lockes on the island"
    • TheMissingToe: "Locke hasn't made his way to Jacob or Richard to claim his throne"

  • baileybear: "Where is Faraday?"
    • He's probably working with the team that's digging next to the frozen donkey wheel

  • Screenshots and Easter Eggs:

    • Was the smoke monster in the room with Christian? (Or is Christian a manifestation of the monster?)
      • Josh doesn't think the wisp of white smoke was the smoke monster; we've never seen it white before
      • There has been some evidence of Christian being a manifestation of the monster: the smoke alarm going off in the Jack flashforward
  • Preview for the next episode:
    • Sayid looked like he was up against a tree with his arms stretched out in a T formation as thought he was being crucified
    • Sayid: "You're all going to die, you know" — he seems to be telling DHARMA folks about the Purge
    • Juliet tells Kate to stay away (presumably from Saywer)
    • Jack was looking at one of the barracks that's on fire
    • Sawyer tells Sayid he's on his own — and head-butts him?
    • Sayid: "Now I know exactly why I'm here"
    • Sayid fires a hand gun
      • Who was he shooting at? Young Ben? Would it even be possible?
        • On the podcast, Josh further explains the time travel paradox of killing Ben in the past
      • How did Sayid get out? Did Ben let him out?

  • From SpoilerFix (WARNING: don't click this link unless you want to risk being majorly spoiled!)
    • The next episode's title is "He's Our You" and it will be Sayid-centric
  • Official LOST Podcast:
    • The title of Episode 11 is "What Happens Happens", and in that episode it will be revealed what happened to Aaron

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Saturday, March 21, 2009

Jay & Jack's LIVE Podcast Tonight!

Jay and Jack (from The Lost Podcast with Jay and Jack, of course) are hosting a live 25-hour charity podcast for Autism Speaks. They've asked me to moderate the discussion from 9 PM to 10 PM Pacific tonight. Other planned guests for the hour are:
We're going to discuss LOST mysteries and theories. It should be a lot of fun! Join in on Ustream at 9 PM Pacific (midnight Eastern) to hear my segment, or any time after 2 PM Pacific which is when the 25-hour marathon begins. And don't forget to donate to Autism Speaks!

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Saturday, March 14, 2009

"LaFleur" Discussion

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the JoshMeister and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 5 Episode 8, "LaFleur", review additional points from "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham", and take a look at what we might see in episode 9, "Namaste".

Season 5 Episode 7 "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" additional notes:
  • Popup: Caesar was in Ben's old office at the Hydra Station (makes sense to find a shotgun there, like the one in Ben's house in New Otherton)
  • Popup: "There was no camera when Ben arrived."
  • Popup: Matthew Abaddon "posed as" Locke's orderly -- was he already working for Charles Widmore then? The popup pointed out that it was Matthew Abaddon who inspired Locke to go on the walkabout which would ultimately lead him to be on Flight 815. Another popup reminded us that Abaddon recruited the science team for Widmore's freighter (Naomi, Daniel Faraday, Charlotte Staples Lewis, Miles Straume)
  • Popup: Reminder that Abaddon means means "guardian of the abyss" -- the meaning of his name seems to hint that Ben may be telling the truth about Abaddon and Widmore being bad guys
  • Popup: Reminder that after Ben left the Island three years ago, he convinced Sayid that it was Widmore whose people were responsible for Nadia's death; if Sayid knew that Locke was working with Widmore, he would be extremely upset (assuming he still believed what Ben told him)
  • Abaddon: After reminding Locke that he was the orderly who convinced him to go on the walkabout, he told Locke "I help people get to where they need to get to, John. That's what I do for Mr. Widmore."
  • Who is on "the wrong side"?
    • Ben and Widmore both want the Oceanic 6 to go back to the Island, so they both could be on "the right side" of the impending war, based on Charles Widmore's warning
  • From @mjparker75 on Twitter: "@theJoshMeister do you think Ben planned to kill Locke all along- knowing that suicide wouldn't allow a resurrection? Still think Ben=good"
    • I've heard this theory a couple times and it's interesting. I'm not sure whether that's the case because of Ben's comment when he left Locke's apartment that he was going to miss John; that comment seemed to imply that Ben didn't know that John would come back to life on the Island.
Season 5 Episode 8 "LaFleur" notes:
  • After Locke turns the wheel, there's a final flash and Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, and Daniel see a large statue off in the distance
    • Is this the future four-toed foot statue? (screenshots and theories later in this post!)
  • Miles: "That last flash was different... it was more like an earthquake"
  • No more headaches, nosebleeds all of a sudden

  • Three Years Later
    • Horace Goodspeed is drunk, throws dynamite
    • LaFleur = DHARMA Head of Security = Sawyer!
    • Sawyer calls Horace their "fearless leader"

  • Three Years Earlier
    • Sawyer chooses the con name "Jim LaFleur" and lies about how they got to the Island
    • Horace's wife Amy (played by Reiko Aylesworth -- "Michelle Dessler" from 24) is having a baby, which made me wonder whether she and the baby would die like all the Others that Juliet tried to save
    • Amy had been married to Paul until the Others killed him, and she later remarried Horace
      • baileybear asked in the chat: "Why did the others kill Paul and try to take Amy?" -- This seems to be an unresolved question
  • Three Years Earlier
    • Daniel says after Charlotte died, her body disappeared after a flash

  • Three Years Later
    • Sawyer tries to get Juliet to do the Caesarian section to deliver Amy's baby
      Jin says he searched Grid 1-3-3, and there was no sign of their people. Sawyer says to search Grid 1-3-4 next
      • Do the DHARMA folks really believe that after 3 years they're still searching for other survivors from their crash?
    • Jin: "How long do we look, James?"
      • Sawyer: "As long as it takes."
      • Jin's English is much better now that he's had 3 years of practice
    • Juliet: "It's a boy." -- and she says the mom (Amy) is okay
      • Clearly this is before women and their babies died during child birth on the island
      • bsnone ("bassoon one") in the chat said: "loved that Juliet seemed to get some personal redemption by helping to successfully deliver a baby on the island"
      • Kenwalt in the chat pointed out in the chat that "Not all babies die. Aaron was born on the island."
        • My response is that all of those we know of who died during child birth on the island also conceived on the island. Aaron was conceived off-island and was almost fully developed before arriving there and being born on-island, and Ji Yeon was conceived on the island but spent the majority of gestation off-island and was born off-island. Alex was also conceived before Danielle Rousseau and Robert came to the island, and Danielle and Alex survived Alex's birth. Amy and Horace would have been on the island when their baby was conceived, because Amy had previously been on the island when she was married to Paul and presumably she didn't leave the island after being married to Horace.

  • There was an advertisement for a movie called "Knowing" with Nicholas Cage -- numbers predict the future = LOST plot ripoff! (We found out in the first LOST ARG, The LOST Experience, that the main purpose of the DHARMA Initiative was to use the numbers to predict and prevent the end of the world.)

  • Three Years Earlier
    • Horace tells Sawyer ("Jim LaFleur") that he needs to leave the Island the next morning on a sub, and says that James isn't "DHARMA material"
      Daniel sees Charlotte as a young girl living amongst the DHARMA folk
    • Richard Alpert shows up in the DHARMA village (the future "New Otherton") with a torch
      • Horace Goodspeed goes out to speak with him
      • The sonic fence doesn't keep The Others out
      • Horace mentions a "heavy ordinance" -- what was he referring to?
      • Sawyer goes outside and tells Richard Alpert the truth; Sawyer was one of the time travelers with Locke, and the Others' death was their fault, not DHARMA's
      • Horace says the deal is to send Paul's body back with Richard, and says if Amy doesn't want to, they will suffer the consequences
      • Amy says that Paul would want to sacrifice himself for the rest of them, and she takes Paul's ankh
    • Sawyer talks Juliet into staying instead of taking the next sub off the island -- they seem to be developing some kind of romantic relationship

  • Three Years Later
    • Sawyer and Juliet are living together
    • They say "I love you" to each other
    • Sawyer asks why Horace was too busy drinking and blowing up trees to be there for the birth of his son, and he says it was because he found Paul's ankh in Amy's sock drawer and he was worried that she might not have gotten over Paul yet
    • Sawyer tells Horace about Kate (or so we assume, although it's possible that he could have been talking about Cassidy)
      • He says he doesn't remember what she looks like anymore, and says that three years is "absolutely" long enough to get over someone

    • Sawyer drives his blue DHARMA Jeep to meet Jin with Hurley, Jack, and Kate in his DHARMA Volkswagen van
      • Kate smiles and Sawyer and he doesn't seem to know quite what to make of the whole situation

  • Mormegil: "What year does Ben come to the island as a child?"
    • According to Lostpedia's pre-crash timeline, probably 1976 or 1977
    • Ben wouldn't see himself because he stayed with the pilot, Locke, etc. in the present, but it's certainly possible that Sawyer etc. (who are currently stuck in 1977) could run into young Ben among the DHARMA folks

  • John_Carter: "Did Widmore leave the island before Ben arrived?"
    • TheMissingToe: "no - Widmore said Ben tricked him into turning the wheel"

  • baileybear: "i was watching the bonus features for season 4 and Locke told Jack that Ben was in town. so Jack met up with Ben b/4 Ben came to Locke's room to kill him. they didn't show that scene. ben said did locke tell you i was in town. jack says yes. so since locke is dead he had to have met with ben b/4 he died. and told jack this when he was in the hospital."

  • Is Horace and Amy's baby boy anyone we know?
    • James721: "baby Goodwin?"
      • TheMissingToe: "kind of creepy for Juliet though - she delivered her future lover"

  • Screenshots and Easter Eggs:
    • Girl's Geronimo Jackson shirt

    • Ankh:
      • From "Ankh" on Wikipedia: "The ankh was the Egyptian hieroglyphic character that read "eternal life"... Egyptian gods are often portrayed carrying it by its loop, or bearing one in each hand, arms crossed over their chest. It is also known as the key of life, the key of the Nile, or as crux ansata, Latin for 'cross with a handle'."
      • TheMissingToe: "interesting Richard Alpert connection there with Ankh" - Richard seems to have some form of unending life since he never seems to age

    • Is the statue of Anubis?
  • Preview for the next episode (March 18, 2009):
    • Sawyer and the other DHARMA infiltrators try to figure out what to do about Jack, Hurley, and Kate so they won't be seen as Hostiles
    • A DHARMA member says to James (referring to Sayid, who they think is a Hostile): "We can end this right now. We shoot him."
      • Kenwalt in the chat had a good point: "James will have a tough time explaining why Sayid is in handcuffs"

  • From SpoilerFix (WARNING: don't click this link unless you want to risk being majorly spoiled!)
    • The next episode's title is "Namaste"
  • Official LOST Podcast:
    • The title of Episode 11 is "What Happens Happens", and in that episode it will be revealed what happened to Aaron

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Wednesday, March 04, 2009

Time Paradox and the Space/Time Continuum

This post was written by Master Nak. Welcome back to the blog, Nak! ~tJM

Ok, I admit I am stealing this theory from Bob Zemeckis and the Back To The Future writers, but I have a hunch that the rule applies in Lost as well.

In BTTF Part 2, Doc Brown said that if the same person from two different time periods ran into his/herself, the meeting would cause a "time paradox," and could potentially rupture the entire space/time continuum. Earlier on in the season, Locke saw the light from the Hatch shining into the night sky, and knew that if he kept going in that direction, he would find his past self. However, something made him turn away and lead the others away with him. I know Locke later gave an explanation for shifting his course, but I think there was a deeper reason - he couldn't run into himself because it would cause a time paradox.

This would also explain why Ben is still on the island in the present day and did not jump back with Jack, Hurley and Kate. The possibility of old Ben running into young Ben (who was on the island with the Dharma Initiative) prevented him from jumping through time. And in the most recent episode, "LaFleur," Charlotte's corpse disappeared when everyone jumped to 1974. We know that Charlotte was on the island as a little girl during this time; she could not possibly simultaneously exist as both dead and alive.

The space/time continuum seems to be "course correcting" to prevent the occurrence of a time paradox.

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"The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" Discussion

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the JoshMeister and fellow LOST fans discuss Season 5 Episode 7, "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham", review additional points from "316" and "This Place is Death", and take a look at what we might see in episode 8, "LaFleur".

Season 5 Episode 6 "316" additional notes:
  • Popup: Same lagoon as Season 1 episode "Whatever the Case May Be" where Kate and Sawyer went swimming
  • Popup: The name of The Lamp Post station was inspired by the lamp post in The Chronicles of Narnia
  • Popup: The DHARMA Initiative used old sailing journals like the one from the Black Rock -- the same one that Charles Widmore would later win in an auction
  • Popup confirmed that Ben was going to fulfill his promise to Charles Widmore to kill Penelope
    • Could Ben have gone after their Penny and Desmond's baby Charlie instead, as well?
    • If Ben hurt Penny (and/or Charlie), Des would go back to the Island to kill Ben
  • Popup: "Y: The Last Man" comic series is about a plague that killed all male mammals on the planet
LOSTCasts' notes for "This Place is Death":
  • Sickness is not nosebleeds
  • Locke interacted with Smokey - is he "sick"?
  • Is Charlotte's adoptive mother from the Island of Korean descent? Might explain why Charlotte spoke Korean
    • LOSTCasts shared another, more plausible theory in their discussion of "316" below
  • Don't bring her back - Ji Yeon? Because she was conceived on the Island she's special?
  • Adam and Eve = Aaron and Ji Yeon?
    • Josh doesn't think so, but it's interesting to note that Aaron was conceived off-island and born on-island, and the opposite is the case with Ji Yeon; she was conceived off-island and born off-island. This would make them a good Yin/Yang, Black/White-themed pair
  • The painting of the apostle Thomas = doubting/needing to have faith theme
    • I pointed out on the previous podcast that the painting also had to do with the resurrection theme
  • Is someone on the Island Dan's dad? With Ellie as the mother (assuming she's Eloise Hawking)? Could it be that Charles Widmore is Dan's father?
LOSTCasts' notes for "316":
  • Jin's new DHARMA logo
    • Jin is working in DHARMA security?
  • On Ajira Flight 316, Sun was a proxy for Rose - she was holding her husband's ring like Rose was
  • Perhaps Jin taught the Korean language to Charlotte after living among the DHARMA people on the Island
    • diesel929: "Maybe she is the daughter of a very high up DHARMA operative"
Season 5 Episode 7 "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" notes:
  • Island:
    • Caesar is in The Hydra DHARMA station looking at maps of the island
      • Caesar loads a shotgun, puts it in his bag (screenshot)
    • He and Ilana work together but don't trust each other
      • AlextheOther in the live chat: "He's the Jack of 316, keeping everything from everyone else"
    • Ilana said Roxanne was scouting, saw a man standing in the water, someone who (she thought) wasn't on the plane
    • Surprise, surprise: Locke is alive again on the island

    • Locke has taken off his shoes
    • Ilana: Pilot and some woman took a boat and took off during the night
      • Who is the woman?
        • Sun?
        • diesel929: "Maybe the ghost of Naomi came to Frank"
      • Are they the ones who shot at Sawyer etc. during the period after they found the Ajira bottle? If so, did they think they were someone else?
    • Locke: "Do you have a passenger list?"
      • Ilana: "You'll have to talk to Caesar"

  • Flashback:
    • Locke is in Tunisia
    • What's with the cameras? (We find out shortly)
    • Matthew Abaddon is there when they are performing surgery on John
    • Widmore is there when John wakes up: "I met you when I was 17."
      • Widmore says he placed those cameras there because "that's the exit"
      • Even though island is moving, the exit is always the same for some reason; the DHARMA polar bear Charlotte found was also in Tunisia
    • Widmore says he had been a leader of The Others: "We protected the island for decades, then he [Ben] exiled me"
    • Widmore is going to help Locke bring them back "Because there's a war coming john. And if you're not back on the island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win."
    • Widmore gives him the name Jeremy Bentham
    • Locke goes to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
      • Locke visits Sayid there
    • New York, NY
      • Locke visits Walt here
      • Walt says to John that he saw him on the Island in suit, and everyone was angry with him
        • diesel929: "Josh, do you think Ben makes them all turn on John?"
          • I wouldn't be surprised. However, Caesar and Ilana seem to dislike and distrust Locke already, even without Ben's provocation
      • Locke doesn't try to talk Walt into going back - tells Matthew Abaddon that "the boy's been through enough" and "I only need to convince one."
      • Ben watches Locke get back in the car
    • Santa Rosa, CA
      • Hurley tells Locke that Matthew Abaddon claimed to have been employed by Oceanic Air
        • Matthew reminds Locke that he was the orderly who helped rehabilitate Locke
        • james721: "It seems Locke should have been more believing to Hurley's warning about Abaddon"
          • Interesting theory, but what if Abaddon was really a good guy, or at least a better person than Ben is?
    • Los Angeles, CA
      • Locke fails to convince Kate
    • Santa Monica, CA
      • Locke goes to visit Helen - she's buried in a graveyard - died of a brain aneurysm - "June 30, 1957 - April 08, 2006"
        • Someone shoots and murders Matthew (we later find out that Ben did it)
        • Locke gets in an accident, is taken to Jack's hospital
          • Locke fails to convince Jack, even after telling him about Christian having sent him
    • Locke writes the suicide note and starts to hang himself, then there's a knock at the door -- it's Ben!
    • Ben: "I'm trying to protect you."
    • Ben admits to killing Abaddon, claims that Abaddon would have killed Locke and said that Widmore is extremely dangerous
    • Ben tells Locke that Jack booked a round-trip flight from L.A. to Sydney -- he did get Jack to want to go back
    • Locke tells Ben that there's a woman named Eloise Hawking that they need to find
      • How did John know about Eloise Hawking?
        • Christian told John?
      • How did Ben know about her? He recognized her name, but apparently didn't know she was nearby.
    • Ben kills Locke!
      • Why did Ben kill John? Because he wants control of the island for himself? Does this mean that Widmore was telling the truth?
      • james721: "John is NOT allowed to kill himself"
      • Maybe Ben knew Locke had to die anyway and would be resurrected on the island?
    • Ben fixes up the apartment to make it look like a suicide, takes Jin's ring
      • "I'll miss you, John. I really will."
        • This comment sort of seems to hint that Ben didn't known John would be resurrected

  • Island:
    • Caesar says that Hurley and some of the others from the plane disappeared while they were watching them
      • They must have gone back in time, while the rest of the survivors (including Locke) are presumably in the present
      • Past/present observances with the plane etc. from Sledgeweb's LOST site
    • Ben is one of "the people who got hurt"

    • baileybear: "Where is Sayid?"
      • For that matter, where is Sun? Unless we're supposed to assume that she's the one who went with Frank, perhaps to try to find Jin

    • james721: "Ceasar is WIDMORE's SPY or a free agent"
  • Screenshots and Easter Eggs:
    • Caesar's findings:
      • "Caesar locates some files in The Hydra station that includes Dan Faraday's map and one of his journal pages concerning time travel. Also included is Rousseau's map." -from Sledgeweb's LOST Stuff
      • Life magazine (screenshot)
        • Hydrogen bomb on the cover -- reminds us of Faraday's suggestion to bury the bomb, etc.
    • Sayid's shirt (screenshot)
  • Preview for next week:
    • Sawyer and Juliet with guns
    • A blonde woman has a bag on her head, which is removed
      • diesel929: "Libby maybe?"
  • From SpoilerFix (WARNING: don't click this link unless you want to risk being majorly spoiled!)
    • The next episode's title is "LaFleur" (which they said on The Official LOST Podcast is a person's name)

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Pendulum Window Locations Map

A couple weeks ago in the episode "316", we were briefly shown several latitude and longitude coordinates of places where the Island had been or would be going. Regular podcast caller/chat participant James721 posted a map on his LOST blog with each of the six locations marked on it:

Thanks for passing that along, James!

UPDATE: Curt Yanko from The Black Rock LOST Podcast has a different take on where the coordinates should be mapped. Check out Curt Yanko's map as well.

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